Volume 10 Number 94 Produced: Tue Dec 28 12:32:24 1993 Subjects Discussed In This Issue: Censorship [Matthew Ian Tigger Subotnick] Censorship and Children [Meylekh Viswanath] Divine Providence in the Workplace [Sam Goldish] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ian Tigger Subotnick <iggymoot@...> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 15:33:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Censorship There has been much discussion recently about the validity of censoring information or study of other religions. If you believe that it is the duty of a jew to study, to learn, to enrich our minds and souls in order to come closer to hashem, then the idea of censorship should be distasteful to you. More importantly, in a modern, multi-cultural, and multi-ethnic world, how can we not strive to learn as much as we can about our neighbors, in order that we can live in harmony, and peace? It is not the policy of judaism to recruit, though we believe that we have a covenant with hashem, and that if we abide by this covenenat then we shall see a great miracle when the mashiach comes, a time of great joy and happiness, we as a culture and religion do not have the gall to assume that we are any better or worse than our fellow brothers and sisters. This is not our way. Isn't, excepting history and inbred racial intolerance, the whole reason jews have been persecuted for so long, that there was the holocaust, that there is daily bloodshed in our homeland, isn't the primary reason a lack of understanding and a will to live in peace with those who are different than us? Hashem does not teach us through the torah, and talmud alone. Nor do our personal actions define what we are as jews. We have to take lessons anywhere we can find them, and try to learn. and grow. There is a noble beauty in the buddhist goal of achieving enlightenment and trying to gain a holistic understanding of what they believe hashem to be. Or the hindu belief in non-violence to the point that the thought of eating meat is distateful to them. Even mainstram commercial Christianity has valuable lessons to teach jewish children, (mind you they only echo teachings that you learn every shabbat), these are the belief that community and family are important, that there is a good reason and purpose in fulfilling your spiritual needs. So they believe the mashiach has come and that jesus is his name, can we convince them otherwise? No. should we? Why, if we can instead focus our energies on living harmoniously together. Just because one is born jewish does not mean that they will automatically take the tanach to heart and follow all the mitvoth. One has to choose to practice. and ususally, "forcefeeding" religion to modern youth has a negative effect. How much more pleasant it is to grow together, to study our rich heritage, and those of other cultures and religions so that when the time for bar or bat mitzvah comes, we can see what a wonderful tradition it is. And why we can take pride in it. This may sound a bit modern, but in light of history, and on the dawn of peace in Israel, it seems the right and good path to follow. Sincerly, Matthew Subotnick <iggymoot@...> Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <VISWANATH@...> (Meylekh Viswanath) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 13:31:40 -0500 Subject: Censorship and Children Uri Meth and Avi Laster responded to a recent posting of mine on the subject of MJers censoring knowledge of christianity from their children. I had said in my original posting: >I remember other postings where attempts were made to keep >children from knowledge about christianity. I was surprised then, >and I am surprised now, that this should be considered desirable >among m.j. readers. The existence of christianity and christians in >the world in which we live is undeniable; it permeates literature, >music, and other disciplines, such as e.g. history. How could it be >desirable to keep children ignorant of these things? Rather, I would >think it is better to inform and _explain_ to our kids what these >things are; that they are not shayekh [relevent - Mod.] to us. It is unfortunate that I chose to make my remarks in the context of Najman Kahana's account of his unwitting rental of a Pinocchio video with christian content. I did not mean to suggest that we should all go out and rent the Pinocchio video or read from the new testament to our children instead of a bedtime story. I was responding more to the tone of several postings (including, it seemed to me at the time, the Kahana posting--but I apologise if I misread the intent of Najman's posting) where active efforts were made to shield children from knowledge of christianity. A typical example of the kind of action that I am referring to, is the case of the poster who explained to his kid that Santa Claus was "Fred." The converse of this is not taking children to Rockafellar Center to view the christmas tree, as Avi Laster suggests: >However, I don't have to take them on a trip to New York City to >view the X-mas tree in Rockafeller Center and to Lincoln Center to >view "The Nutcracker" in order to give them this knowledge. Rather, it is explaining that who Santa Claus is, in whatever terms the parent deems appropriate, without the use of untrue statements. Uri Meth says: >(Children) are are very impressionable. A child who is brought up >in a religion and is also bombarded with ideas of other religions can >become very confused and lose his way. I agree with Uri. That's why I think it is appropriate that children learn about these things from an appropriate source (rather than from some other uncontrolled source). Uri adds: >Are we any different from parents in the Charaidi (hassidic) >community who mold their children they way they see fit. I believe we are not different from the khasidic community in that we try to mold our children the way we see fit. But I think we do differ from the khasidic community in the nature of the molding. I think there is a definite difference between most MJers and most khasidim in terms of the breadth of knowledge that is considered desirable for a Jew to attain. Similarly, I am in agreement with Avi Laster when he says: >Assuming exposure to the secular cultural disciplines you mention >is permissible/desirable it certainly can be accomplished with some >careful research and selectivity. One can provide children, or >oneself, with exposure to examples of all of the above which are >not inundated with Christian content. However, I am not sure of the relevance of another of his statements: I'm sure there are those people out there who could provide you with Halachic precedent showing the undesirability of Jewish people indulging in secular cultural activities and information. First of all, one should not confuse indulging in secular cultural activities on the one hand, and secular information, on the other. Second, I'm sure that even if there is halakhic precedent showing the undesirability of Jews acquiring secular information, there's halakhic precedent showing the converse as well. I understand that MJers are not all homogenous. However, that is no reason why one should not present one's point of view and seek to convince others of it. In this case, I presumed a commitment to a certain breadth of knowledge and suggested that certain kinds of censorship went counter to it. Meylekh Viswanath (<viswanath@...>) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sam Goldish <0005891269@...> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 93 19:41:04 -0500 Subject: Divine Providence in the Workplace Two topics of discussion in M-J/Volume 10--Davening in the Workplace, and Divine Providence--taken together, evoked memories of a bizarre incident that took place the U.S. Government Office Building here in Tulsa, where I worked, and which I would like to share with our readers. For twenty years, prior to my retirement, I was an engineer with a branch of DoD known as "Defense Contracts Administration Services"--DCAS, for short. We dealt on a daily basis with defense contractors in our area who had been awarded Army, Navy, or Air Force contracts. Out of approximately 90 people in our Tulsa area office, I was the only Jewish employee, as well as the only engineer in the group. By way of explanation as to how such a weird event could have transpired in a Government workplace, let me preface my narrative by reminding our readers that Oklahoma is in the heart of the so- called "Bible Belt." For example, Tulsa is the home of Oral Roberts University, with its spectacular campus. (My nephew, now a musmach of Ner Israel Yeshiva, once commented, as I drove him past ORU on a sightseeing tour of Tulsa, "You know, Uncle Sam, this is a 'yeshiva' for the goyim!"). Circa 1975, a Tulsa defense contractor received a sizeable contract to design and produce U.S. Army tank driver trainers, for delivery to the Israeli Defense Forces. Because of U.S. State Department and congressional involvement, this contract had a lot of visibility in top DoD echelons, and special monthly meetings had to be scheduled in our office to review the contractor's progress and report on any problem areas. During one such meeting, about a dozen DCAS representatives and I were huddled around a conference table, reviewing a stack of modifications requested by the Israeli Army. As I leaned over the table, our office manager sidled over to me and whispered: "Sam, there's a long white thread hanging down from your belt. Let me remove it for you." Not realizing what it was, I replied, "O.K., thanks." As he tugged on the "thread," I soon realized he was pulling out the tzitzis of my arba-kanfos. "Sam, what in the world is THIS?" he exclaimed, in a puzzled tone. I quietly replied, "It's a religious garment. Let it go. I'll take care of it." By then, I could sense that the meeting had already been more than a little distracted by the exchange; I felt all eyes focussed on me as I tucked my tzitzis back in place. "O.K.," I said, "Let's get back to the design changes." But, obviously, it was already too late. An industrial specialist named Lorene immediately spoke up: "Sam, I heard you say those threads are part of a 'religious garment.' How does that fit into the Jewish religion?" I replied--as subdued as possible--"Lorene, it's a commandment in the Bible. We can discuss it after the meeting." No way! Drawing herself up to her full imposing stature, Lorene addressed the entire assemblage: "My father was a Baptist minister. I was raised in the church. I used to sleep on the church pews. I know the Bible forward and backward, and I don't recall ever seeing any commandment to wear that garment. Sam will have to cite book, chapter and verse to prove that to me." There really was no malice in Lorene's statement--she simply wanted "proof," and she wanted it now. Before I could divert attention back to the meeting, another specialist, Paul, chimed in: "I've got a bible in my desk. Let me get it, and maybe Sam can show us where that commandment is." In less than a minute, Paul returned with his bible--a huge KJV edition--and placed it before me on the conference table. I felt a rush of panic (as Ernest Hemingway once wrote, it was the "moment of truth"). All eyes now were fixed on me, awaiting the next move. I know the tzitzis mitzvah is in the Maftir "aliyah" of Parshat Shelach Lechah, but the KJV bible doesn't go by "parshas"--only by chapter and verse. I had visions of having to scan page after page of "The Book of Numbers," trying to pinpoint the exact location. There was no way that I could gracefully back out of the corner into which I had so unexpectedly been thrust. The room was hushed with anticipation. Standing before the bible, I placed my thumb firmly on the edge of the book and opened it. Instantly, before my eyes, appeared one word: "fringes." I felt a wave of exultation pass through my body. "Here it is," I said, trying to maintain a semblance of nonchalance, "Book of Numbers, Chapter 15, Verses 37 through 41." Lorene, visibly taken aback, walked over to the open bible. I pointed to the verses, and she read them aloud for all to hear. "Well, I guess that's one chapter I missed," she said. "But, Sam, how in the world were you able to open the bible to the exact page you wanted?" I replied: "You might call it 'Divine Providence.'" Sam Goldish ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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