Volume 19 Number 96 Produced: Wed Jun 7 23:44:55 1995 Subjects Discussed In This Issue: Betrothal of Minor Daughter (2) [Aleeza Esther Berger, Avi Feldblum] Betrothal of Minors: Takana proposal [Mottel Gutnick] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aleeza Esther Berger <aeb21@...> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Betrothal of Minor Daughter I deleted the post by mistake, but Eliyahu Teitz wrote that even though the gemara in Kiddushin prohibits betrothing a minor daughter ("assur"), Tosafot's statement that today (i.e. in Tosafot's time) it is the custom to do it because of unstable economic conditions, clearly indicates that "assur" in the gemara was not taken as the halakha. The implication (or maybe Eliyahu was explicit about it? I don't remember) is that the gemara's statement has no halakhic weight because of the later custom. I am not so sure that the gemara should be assigned so little weight. Another way to rule today, in light of the gemara, is to say that such betrothals only take effect if (a) the conditions specified by Tosafot or the Rama exist (the Rama's other condition being that a suitable groom could not be found later - actually the Rama got this from an earlier source, but I forgot who), and (b) the society's custom is to do these betrothals. Barring (a) and (b), the gemara's "assur" still holds. Along these lines, the Arukh haShulchan rules that "today" (relatively contemporary - early 20th century Western Europe) it is not "our custom" to betroth minor daughters, and supports his disapproval of the practice with the gemara's "assur". I.e., today's societal custom holds equal weight with Tosafot's custom. It goes without saying that this despicable father does not fulfil the conditions in (a), which basically are that the father does it with his daughter's (economic or social) welfare in mind. Arukh haShulchan says that the only time a man could betroth his minor daughter is if she agrees to do it ("nitratset"). That seems to be picking up on one interpretation of the gemara (e.g. Bayit Hadash) that a minor can agree to something like that. The other (more "pshat")(straightforward) interpretation of the gemara is that by definition a minor cannot consent - you must wait until she "grows up [tigdal] and says 'I want Ploni (John Doe)' "). Under that interpretation, and keeping in mind that today's custom is not do so such betrothals, the whole thing could be dismissed as a non-event. Even using the interpretation that a minor can consent, clearly in the current case no such condition has been met. Aliza Berger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Avi Feldblum <feldblum> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:30:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Betrothal of Minor Daughter Aleeza Esther Berger writes: > Another way to rule today, in light of the gemara, is to say that such > betrothals only take effect if (a) the conditions specified by Tosafot > or the Rama exist (the Rama's other condition being that a suitable > groom could not be found later - actually the Rama got this from an > earlier source, but I forgot who), and (b) the society's custom is to do > these betrothals. Barring (a) and (b), the gemara's "assur" still > holds. A critical point here is the possible distinction between an action being "assur" and saying that the outcome of the action does not take effect. My understanding of the Gemarah and Shulchan Aruch is that there is a rabbinic prohibition on the father from accepting kedushin for his minor daughter. But if he goes ahead and does accept kedushin, the marriage is a valid marriage, the father has just violated an issur. In other words this on the Rabbinic level is more accurately compared to a Cohen marrying a divorcee - the marriage is in effect, but the Cohen has violated a 'lav', than a brother marrying a sister - the act of kedushin between a brother and sister has no halakhic meaning at all and there is no marriage here. Avi Feldblum <mljewish@...> or feldblum@cnj.digex.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mottel Gutnick <MOTTEL@...> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:54:47 GMT+1000 Subject: Betrothal of Minors: Takana proposal A proposal for a Halachic solution to child Agunot: There is a well established general principle in Halacha, first laid down in the Talmud, that, where the situation warranted it, the Rabbis arrogated to themselves the power to "uproot" even a Biblical law, where there was a moral or social imperative to do so. Rabbi Eliezer Berkovitz, in his book "Not in Heaven; The Nature and Function of Halakha", discusses many examples from the Talmud of this principle in action, including the one I shall describe below, which bears directly on the case of child agunot whose own fathers have intentionally and maliciously placed them in this position in an attempt to use them as weapons in their divorce disputes with their (ex) wives. My library is still in boxes and most of the following is from memory, so I am not including references in the following. Perhaps someone on the list who wishes to take up the discussion of this proposal will furnish the references. Under "raw" Biblical law (as unmodified by later Rabbinic qualification) a man had absolute rights over the granting of a Get. He could also, once a Get was written for his wife, but before it took effect by being delivered to her, cancel the Get by a declaration invalidating it. If a husband appointed a messenger to deliver a Get to his wife who lives in a distant location, and then, before the messenger had time to reach his destination, the husband appears before a Beth Din or before witnesses and announces that he is cancelling the Get, it becomes null and void. (Actually, it may be that the cancellation applies not to the Get itself but is effected by the husband withdrawing his messenger's authority to act as his agent in delivering the Get to the wife. This distinction is, however, immaterial to the discussion.) Furthermore, the cancellation takes effect even if the husband had not communicated the news of the cancellation to the messenger or to his wife. What would happen then, if the agent, unaware of the cancellation, delivered the Get, and the wife, believing it to be valid, remarried on the strength of it. Technically she would be committing adultery since the Get is invalid and she is still legally married to her first husband. Foreseeing the terrible consequences of such a situation, Rabban Gamliel Hazaken (the Elder), head of the Sanhedrin at that time (1st Century, CE), enacted a Takana (decree) forbidding cancellation of a Get in the absence of the messenger or the wife. The reason for this enactment was "mishum tikkun ha'olam" (lit: "to repair the world"), that is, for the betterment of society. But what did the law have to say in the case of a man who, in defiance of Rabban Gamliel's Takana, went ahead and cancelled a Get in the above manner? (Remember: this is not necessarily a case where the husband does this with mischievous intent, he may have simply had a change of heart about ending the marriage.) There is a debate about this between later Tannaim (teachers of the Mishnaic period). Rebbi (the Talmudic title of Rabbi Yehuda Hanassi) says that although the husband acted in violation of the Takana, his actions are, nevertheless, valid according to original Biblical law, and therefore the Get is legally cancelled. Rabban Gamliel II, however, ruled that the cancellation was ineffectual and the Get remained a valid Get, because otherwise the Takana would have no teeth. ("Otherwise what authority would the Beth Din have?") Rabban Gamliel II's ruling, giving teeth to this Takana, gave rise to a question in the Gemara: According to Biblical law (which allowed such a cancellation) this Get is really invalid. Do the Rabbis now have the power, simply in order to "arm" their Takanot with teeth, to allow a woman to remarry on the strength of what, Biblically speaking, is a worthless piece of paper and not a valid Get? The Gemara answers: Yes! the Rabbis do have such far reaching authority (even to override Biblical law) in such matters because there is a legal presumption that all marriages are entered into subject to the law as laid down by the Rabbis. ("Kol hamekadesh adaita d'rabbanan mekadesh".) (Rashi explains that this is the meaning behind the formula recited by the groom to the bride: "You are sanctified unto me ... according to the law of Moses and Israel - i.e. subject, not only to the law of Moses, but also to subsequent Rabbinic law.) The reasoning behind this explanation of the Gemara is that the Rabbis exercise their authority by voiding the marriage ab initio. Since the husband acted against the "law of Israel", the marriage loses the sanction of the Rabbis, and the Rabbis annul the marriage retrospectively. No real formal annulment is necessary, this is simply the formalistic argument justifying how the Rabbis can uphold the validity of a Get, which, by Biblical law, has been invalidated: Since the very marriage has been invalidated, the validity of the Get under Biblical law is no longer an issue. The Tosafot (additional commentaries on the Talmud, after Rashi) take this reasoning to its logical conclusion and point out that if this is indeed the reasoning underpinning the Rabbis' power to declare such a Get valid (i.e. that the marriage is annulled ab initio), then this opens up a loophole in the law of Mamzerut (illegitimacy). "If so, we can clear Mamzerim [of their illegitimate status]". If a married woman commits adultery, and children ensue from the forbidden union, such children are Mamzerim. But what if, now, the husband sends his wife a Get, then, before it arrives, he cancels it? The cancellation has the effect (due to the Takana of Gamliel I) of annulling his marriage! Since the marriage was no marriage, the adultery was no adultery! That union, while it may have been an extra-marital one, was not, it transpires, an adulterous one and therefore the issue of that union are no longer to be regarded as Mamzerim. (Illegitimacy, in Jewish law, derives only from an adulterous or incestuous union, it does not apply to children born out of wedlock if the parents were not otherwise forbidden to each other.) In Israel, marriage of a minor is prohibited both by state legislation and by the Chief Rabbinate. A Takana was adopted by the National Rabbinical Conference held in Jerusalem in 1950 forbidding a man to contract a marriage with a girl under the age of 16 and forbidding her father to give her in marriage. I doubt very much whether this Takana would apply (or was even intended to apply) outside of Israel. I only cite it as a precedent which may make it easier to lobby for the adoption of such a Takana by Rabbinical authorities in the U.S. (This problem does not exist, as far as I know, in Australia, but the Rabbinical authorities here would almost certainly follow suit if such a Takana was adopted in the U.S. and widely supported by various Rabbinical authorities there.) I can't imagine what justification Rabbis could offer for opposing such a Takana, particularly in light of the Israeli precedent. My source for this information about the Israeli Takana is the Encyclopaedia Judaica (v 5, p 423). The author of that article "Child Marriage" goes on to say that However, this prohibition does not nullify a marriage that has nonetheless been celebrated in defiance of it, since in Jewish law such a marriage may be valid. Without a doubt, that Takana was not instituted with a view to combatting the intentional and malicious creation of child Agunot. It was aimed, rather, at stamping out the practice amongst certain immigrant communities (notably, those from Yemen.) We may safely assume therefore that those Rabbis felt no need to "arm" their Takana with the sort of teeth that Rabban Gamliel II gave to his ancestor's Takana. In our case however, where the "tikun ha'olam" (social) imperative is every bit as great, and perhaps more so, than the one which motivated Rabban Gamliel Hazaken, there are good grounds for arguing that the Rabbis have every right to assert the necessary authority over child marriages by virtue of the authority granted them over marriage in general by the Talmudic defence of Rabban Gamliel II's ruling. If this reasoning is not, in itself, compelling enough, it may be necessary to find precedents in which later Rabbis (after the Tosafot) have asserted such authority in practice, before the Rabbis of today will be able to muster the courage to follow suit. I have some information which, whilst not an actual precedent, is, nevertheless, an indication that the above argument has some merit, but I would rather leave that until some other time, after this suggestion has, hopefully, been more fully aired and commented on. The arguments for invalidating the witnesses, and, hence, the ceremony itself, have some merit (and, BTW, apply just as well whether the witnesses are real or merely asserted), but I think there are too many loopholes in it. It seems to me that the line of research that will be the most profitable in trying to formulate a halachic solution to this painful problem is to try to find the kind of precedents that I have suggested, or at least to develop this proposal on the basis of Svara alone (legalistic reasoning) if there are no such precedents to be found. What do you think, Chana? One last thing. I am a newcomer to this list. I only subscribed just before Shavuot after seeing a reference on another list to the Halachic debate on this matter that has been getting under way here. After retrieving the relevant digests from the archives, I found the task of threading the various posts on this subject (so as to collect them together in one file) unnecessarily difficult because of the varying headings used in the subject lines. There have been no fewer than 22 variations! (e.g., Marriage of a Minor Daughter, Minor Marriages, Child Brides, Atrocities in the Get Wars, Witnesses for Marriage.) Please, could we all simplify things in future (and perhaps the moderator could help by enforcing this, but let's make it easy on him by doing our bit) by sticking to just one form of the topic in the subject-line. I suggest, for this topic, "Betrothal of Minors". People originating a new discussion should be very careful to choose a meaningful, appropriate, and concise heading in the subject-line, which everyone else should stick to. For follow-up posts dealing only with some sub-aspect of a subject, there is no reason why the subject line could not be of the form, say, of: Betrothal of Minors: Witnesses. As long as the first part of the subject-line is consistent, different sub- topics can be included without making the postings difficult to thread. Mottel Gutnick, Melbourne, Australia. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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