Volume 24 Number 07
                       Produced: Mon May 20  8:06:44 1996


Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

18 iyar
         [Daniel Skaist]
2nd day Shavuot
         [Barry S. Bank]
411
         [Janice Gelb]
411 - Vol. 23 #99
         [Neil Parks]
Books by Rav Soloveitchik in French
         [Dave Curwin]
Census Counts
         [Stan Tenen]
Creation of Eve and evolution
         [Israel Rosenfeld]
Giving Money to non-Orthodox Charities
         [Barry Best]
Integration of moral values into Torah community
         [Elana  Fine]
Looking for a Short Program in Israel
         [Sam Saal]
Opershernish
         [Shayne Train]
Responding to 411...
         [Joel P. Krigsman]
The Wicked Son's Teeth
         [Yitzchak Hollander]
Torah Mantels
         [Gene Goldberg]
Torah Periodical -  Moriah
         [Michael J Broyde]
Welch's Kosher Grape Juice year-round
         [David Hollander]


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From: DANNY%<ILNCRD@...> (Daniel Skaist)
Date: Sun, 19 May 96 11:29 IST
Subject: 18 iyar

>Menachem Kovacs
>which is the Yom Tov.  The reason for this may simply be that the Rashbi
>requested that Chai (18) Iyar be CELEBRATED as a Yom Tov even though he
>knew it would be the day of his passing from this world because, he

Chai (18) Iyar has been celebrated as a yom tov since we left Egypt.  It
is the day that the manna first fell.

danny

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From: <as106@...> (Barry S. Bank)
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 21:56:56 -0400
Subject: 2nd day Shavuot

In volume 23, #62, Gary Goldwater asked why we observe a 2nd day on 
Shavuot when the date of Shavuot is determined by counting 49 days from 
the 2nd day of Pesach.

The p'sak of "lo plug" regarding the 2nd day of Shavuot is from the Mishna
Torah 3:12 (although the term used is "lo lachlok").  The Rambam states
that there were places where the shlichim sent in Nisan were able to
arrive to which the shlichim sent in Tishrei could not.  In those places,
Sukkot would have been observed for 2 days but it should only have been
necessary to observe Pesach -- and by extension, Shavuot -- for only 1
day.  But when the g'zerah was made regarding 2nd day observance, it
included all those places where the shlichim sent in Tishrei could not
arrive so as not to make different ("lo lachlok) the number of days
observed for each holiday in any given location. 

I was told that the Chatam Sofer was of the opinion that the observance of
the 2nd day of Shavuot has a stringency which the 2nd day of Sukkot does
not, because the latter is observed "misafek" where as the former is a
"gzerah d'rabbanan." 

Chag Sameach to all!
--Barry S. Bank

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From: <Janice.Gelb@...> (Janice Gelb)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:22:17 -0700
Subject: 411

In Vol. 23 #99, Chaim Shapiro asks:

> I have two visually impaired siblings.  As such, our home phone 
>line recieves free 411- directory service.
>My question, is may other members of the family use the 411 
>service as well?  Please note that the phone Co. does not ask who is 
>calling when responding to a 411 call.

Since the phone company did not attempt to make a distinction between
members of the family (by providing special IDs for your siblings to be
provided at the request of the operator, for example), it probably is
easier for the phone company to simply make all calls from that number
free of charge. It would probably be an accounting nightmare to have
some calls charged and some not. Therefore, I would think it would be
acceptable for anyone to make such calls from your home phone.

Janice Gelb                  | The only connection Sun has with this      
<janiceg@...>   | message is the return address. 
http://www.tripod.com/~janiceg/index.html

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From: Neil Parks <nparks@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 18:04:34 EDT
Subject: Re: 411 - Vol. 23 #99

>From: Chaim Shapiro <ucshapir@...>
>        I have two visually impaired siblings.  As such, our home phone 
>line recieves free 411- directory service.
>        My question, is may other members of the family use the 411 
>service as well?  Please note that the phone Co. does not ask who is 
>calling when responding to a 411 call.

If you mean, should the non-impaired members of the family get into the
habit of using free 411 service instead of making the effort to look up
a phone number, I would say no.

On the other hand, if you have looked up the number in the phone book
and you can't find it, and you would be willing to pay for the 411 call,
then I don't think you need to feel guilty about making the call even
knowing you won't be charged.

Perhaps at some time in the not too distant future, your local Ma Bell
will figure out a way to determine which individual in a given household
makes the call, and bill (or not bill) accordingly.  In that case,
asking a visually-challenged relative to make the call for you would not
be advisable.

But for right now, just use some common sense and don't overdo it.

....This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS      Beachwood, Ohio    
 mailto://<nparks@...>       http://www.en.com/users/neparks/

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From: Dave Curwin <6524dcurw@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:09:29 EST
Subject: Books by Rav Soloveitchik in French

If anyone here has any of Rav Soloveitchik's books in French, or knows
where I could find them in Boston, please let me know by email.

Thanks,
David Curwin		With wife Toby, Shaliach to Boston, MA
904 Centre St.          List Owner of B-AKIVA on Jerusalem One
Newton, MA 02159                   <6524dcurw@...>
617 527 0977          Why are we here? "L'hafitz Tora V'Avoda"

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From: Stan Tenen <meru1@...>
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:21:21 -0700
Subject: Census Counts

With regards to the census figures:  see footnote, page 67, of The Living
Torah by R. Aryeh Kaplan:  "46,500.  All the numbers (except where a 50 is
involved) are rounded out to the nearest hundred.  But see below, 3:39."

Also, right after 3:39, Kaplan's note for 3:43, "22,273.  It is significant
to note that the first-born comprised only one out of 27 Israelites....."

B'Shalom,
Stan

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From: <iir@...> (Israel Rosenfeld)
Date: Thu,  16 May 96 18:16 +0200
Subject: Re: Creation of Eve and evolution

>From: <BACKON@...> (Josh Backon)
>There are two genital duct systems in every embryo (wolffian and
>mullerian).  In the male, in the presence of testosterone, the wolffian
>ducts develop as the epididymides, vasa deferentia and seminal vesicles,
>whereas the mullerian ducts fail to develop because of AMH
>(antimullerian hormone).  In the female, in the absence of testosterone,
>the wolffian glands fail to develop but the mullerian ducts give rise to
>the uterus, fallopian tubes and cephalad vagina because there is no
>AMH. In the absence of androgen or androgen receptor the body is
>feminized *despite* presence of the Y chromosome or even the testes. The
>sex-determining role of the mammalian Y-chromosme is limited to the
>induction of the testis. In fact, there are cases of XX Male syndrome
>(which is present in 1:20,000 births).
>
>From: Avi Feldblum <feldblum@...>
>
>... and a much more "literal" type understanding involving the
>physical Adam consisting of dual (male/female) nature is not
>a ruled out method of interpretation of the Midrash.

Purely as an intelectual exercise, I notice that Josh specifies three
    chemicals (testosterone, AMH, androgen).
And all three are present in males only.
Maybe Hashem cloned Adam but repressed production
    of these three?

Shabbat shalom,

Yisrael

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From: Barry Best <bbest@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 12:00:00 EDT
Subject: RE: Giving Money to non-Orthodox Charities

Can someone (who read the Teshuvah) please clarify the position that R.
Feinstein held regarding non-Orthodox charities: is one not *ALLOWED* to
give money to a non-Orthodox charity, or is one allowed to do so, but is
simply not fulfilling the mitzvah of Tzedakkah by giving to a
non-Orthodox charity?

How about giving to secular charities like hospitals, or medical research? 
 Would anyone argue that we are actually discouraged from giving to
these charities; or is it OK to give to these charities as long as we
give "real Tzedakkah" also?

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From: Elana  Fine <ef91@...>
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Integration of moral values into Torah community

This is in regard to Ahron Einhorn's recent posting on the integration
of moral values into the community and family. It is sad that we even
must do that. Isn't that what yeshivos are supposed to be doing today?
In addition to teaching Torah aren't they also supposed to be teaching
midos?

Elana Fine 

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From: Sam Saal <saal@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:09:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for a Short Program in Israel

Not long a go, a yeshiva in Israel announced a week-long yeshiva
learning program in Jerusalem. I sent off for information and was pretty
excited about it. It would have been a week's study on a single theme
and incorporate Chevruta, drash, guest lectures, and a little touring
for a full "immersion" in study. Unfortunately, not enough others were
excited about it and the response was inadequate. The yeshiva changed
the program to 3 days and I don't think I'm particularly interested
anymore.

So why am I telling this to you?

I'm wondering if any of you know of a similar program in Israel this
summer. I'm in my 30s and I don't have the strongest learning skills.  I
would like to take two week vacation to Israel, spending one of those
touring and visiting friends and family, and the other doing something
worth while (read: learning in a yeshiva).

I am open to suggestions, but pelase hurry as I'll need time to make
arrangements.

Sam Saal      <saal@...>
Vayiphtach HaShem et Pea haAtone

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From: Shayne Train <ltrain@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:42:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Opershernish

Does anyone have any information about conducting an Opshernish and the 
rules and traditions behind it?  Thank you for any suggestions and 
information you may have.  (If you post to the list, please send me a 
copy. Thanks.)
Shayne Train

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From: Joel P. Krigsman <Brooky@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:33:34 +0000
Subject: Responding to 411...

> From: Chaim Shapiro <ucshapir@...>
>  I have two visually impaired siblings.  As such, our home phone
> line recieves free 411- directory service.
>  My question, is may other members of the family use the 411 
> service as well?  Please note that the phone Co. does not ask who is
> calling when responding to a 411 call. Chaim Shapiro

Hello.. I have that type of service applied to my phone bill.. I m 
Hearing impaired and the reason is when the customer changes their 
phone phone nbr due to move or whatever, I would not have that access 
to hear the recording of the answer machine telling me if the nbr is 
disconnected or change etc... so, I can call 411 or 555-1212 and they 
would tell me without any charge... as I am not able to dial 0 and 
use my Telecommucation device with the Local operator...

Yoel Krigsman
<Brooky@...>

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From: Yitzchak Hollander <hollande@...>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:05:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The Wicked Son's Teeth

> From: Carl and Adina Sherer <sherer@...>
> I wonder if the word "hakheh" comes from the same root as the word
> "yikhat" (Genesis 49:10) which Rashi there, based on a Gemara in Yevamos
> 6 (among other sources) interprets as meaning "to gather".  In that case
> the term "Hakheh es shinav" would mean "gather his teeth", i.e. get him
> to stay in one place and tell him etc.

I believe the source is from the pasuk in Yechezkel (sorry,, no Tanach
on hand) "Avot yochelu boser veshinei banim tikhena".

Yitzchak

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From: Gene Goldberg <104627.3177@...>
Date: 17 May 1996 03:31:13 GMT
Subject: Torah Mantels

Can anyone steer me towards directions on how to make Torah mantels?

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From: Michael J Broyde <relmb@...>
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Torah Periodical -  Moriah

I am in relative urgent need of a series of articles from the iyar 5753 
issue of the torah periodical Moriah.  It is at the binder at the YU 
library where I normally get these things.  Would aneone out there be 
willing to help?

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From: <David_Hollander@...> (David Hollander)
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 10:10:52 EST
Subject: Welch's Kosher Grape Juice year-round

>I read in one of the kosher trade publications (I forget which) that 
>last year was the experiment, and that it was suitably successful that 
>the current arrangement is now permanent and year-round.  The OU-P 
>bottles are called "Welch's Kosher Grape Juice," whereas regular 
>bottles (having a "K") are just called "Welch's Grape Juice."

This was in Kashrus Magazine April '96 page 12 item 46.

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