Volume 25 Number 70 Produced: Sat Jan 4 20:54:51 1997 Subjects Discussed In This Issue: Bone Marrow Transplants [Esther Posen] Chevron [Russell Hendel] Cohanim on planes [Eliyahu Segal] Gold at a Pidyon Haben [Tszvi Klugerman] Jewish and Non-Jewish Souls [Catherine S. Perel] Jewish Holidays [Todd Zabel] New Farberware. Reverware, and Ekco pots and pans- need kashering? [Zemira and Tzvi Woolf] Terach minyan [Yrachmiel Tilles] Tuition as charity [Chaim Twerski] Yeshiva Tuition and Tzedakah [Garry Seidenfeld] Yeshiva Tuition as Tzedaka [Lewis Reich] Yeshiva Tuitions as Tzedaka [Aaron D. Gross] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <eposen@...> (Esther Posen) Date: Subject: Re: Bone Marrow Transplants I believe I need to clarify my previous post. In most cases, when one is a bone marrow donor, one does not know who the recipient is nor does the recipient have any idea who is refusing to come down for further testing. In fact, as we learned, many people who have had the bone marrow test just cannot be reached for whatever reason, they moved, changed their name, are on extended vacations, sabbaticals etc. Others (especially possible in the frum community) cannot come down for further testing because they are pregnant etc.. This is different than doctors and chilul shabbos for saving the life of a non-jew. (I would guess, though I make no claim to being an expert in halacha.) I should also add that the "frum" are the first to roll up their sleeves anywhere to save another jew. As much as some chilul hashem may exist, there is also a great kiddush hashem when thousands of people show up for testing. I also must admit that I put "my own words" "c'est la vi" into the mouths of the rabbonim we spoke to and I must have unintentionally maligned them. If all rabbonim conclude the halacha the way Rabbi Bleich does (one IS required to donate) it still may not matter since it is unclear whether the recipient is jewish. (I'm not sure does Rabbi Bleich conclude that one is mchuyuv to donate even to a non-jew? Please clarify...) In any case, some said that one is not mchuyuv to donate to a non-jew but certainly did not see any harm in it - it's a good thing but may not be required the way its required for jews. As far as organ donation is concerned, the halachic and hashkafic issues are way more complicated. esther ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <rhendel@...> (Russell Hendel) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:23:41 -0500 Subject: Chevron This mornings headlines about the shooting in Chevron led me to think about a "proper" jewish response to our natural desire to keep Chevron. Halacha DOES speak about this. It does not suggest shootings or uttering Psulta DNuras. Jewish law is very clear that when the community has a need it should proclaim a public fast, examine its sins, repent and then has the right more or less to expect that G-d will answer them. What is bothering me is that no one even tries this anymore. Here are some responses to possible rebuttals of the above idea:(1) What sins do we have whose repentance will help us get back Chevron: ANSWER: An obvious sin is the way we all bicker with each other as Datiim and Lo Datiim and the various religious groups. (2) Why should conservative and reform join a fast? ANSWER: They can join the fast without fasting and participate in the communities repentance. Note: This will also respond to claims that datiim never do anything relevant (3) We should be doing actions not prayers. ANSWER: Agreed. But we already have done everything we could. The present shootings assassinations and public curses are not viable alternatives. What bothers me is that as orthodox people we believe in G-ds providence. Communal prayer is one of the few mitzvoth that affirms this. Why has it been so neglected today especially now that we need it. Russell Jay Hendel, Ph.d.,ASA rhendel @ mcs drexel edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eliyahu Segal <segaleli@...> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 23:35:29 +0200 (IST) Subject: Cohanim on planes > If the problem according to Rav Moshe was the fact that the entire plane > is one vessel, and therefore the tuma spreads throughout the plane > regardless of any attempt to contain it (and that is how I understand > the tshuva, although I am no Rav and could be misunderstanding it), then > how does the solution Mr. Sukenik describes solve the problem? Answers > will be greatly appreciated. You have an even bigger problem than. If the plane itself becomes tameih than how can a Cohen go on the plane even when it is not actually carrying a dead body? <segaleli@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <Klugerman@...> (Tszvi Klugerman) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 00:55:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Gold at a Pidyon Haben I recall many years ago seeing in a collection of minhagim, which I cannot remember at the present, that there arose a custom to place all the mother's gold jewelry around the bchor,(firstborn) in order to make him more desireable to the father. Apparently, in one community, there was the fear that the father might not think the price was worth it, so the mother "reminds" him of all the potential wealth the baby will bring by putting all her gold around the baby. tszvi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catherine S. Perel <perel@...> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 00:15:13 -0600 Subject: Jewish and Non-Jewish Souls In Vol. 25, #59, Zvi Weiss wrote: > Finally, based upon the concept of "gilgul", R. Shani mentions (with- > out comment) the possibility of one to be a Jew in one lifetime and a > non-Jew in another.... I have no idea how he fits THAT into the above > model. I once read in Encyclopedia Judaica, under the entry "Converts" or "Prosethelytes"--I don't remember which, of a view that sincere converts carry the souls of Jewish martyrs which leads the person to Judaism and conversion. Many converts describe their feelings after conversion of "having come home." --Catherine Perel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Zabel <TEZabel@...> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:07:05 -0600 Subject: Jewish Holidays Hello, I has wondering if you know where I could find a file that I could import into Microsoft Schedule+ that would give me all of the Jewish Holidays for the next several years. Thanks! Email: <TEZabel@...> or TEZabel@aol.com WWW: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tezabel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <tzywoolf@...> (Zemira and Tzvi Woolf) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:25:04 +0200 Subject: New Farberware. Reverware, and Ekco pots and pans- need kashering? I'd like to know if there's any need to kasher new Farberware and/or Reverware pots and pans? Or Ekco Baker's Choice pans? The question stems from the use of oils on new pans by the manufacturer. It also stems from the fact that my wife's parents just brought us a _whole_ load of new pots and pans that we'd like to start using! My mother-in-law says that it was never brought up as a sh'aila by their rav in the U.S. but though I trust her judgement, I'd still like to make sure. Thank you very much. Shabbat Shalom. Tzvi Woolf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <ascent@...> (Yrachmiel Tilles) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 10:40:18 +0200 Subject: Terach minyan Does anyone know the origin and intention of the expression "minyan Terach" for those congregations who dovven shacharis amidah before sunrise? Yrachmiel Tilles - ASCENT Seminars PO Box 296 | e-mail: <ascent@...> (YT) 13102 Tsfat | tel: 06-921364, 971407 (home: 972056) ISRAEL | fax: 972-6-921942 (attn. Y.Tilles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chaim Twerski <chaimt@...> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:17:35 -0600 Subject: Tuition as charity To this poster: > 2. Dr. Twersky says that the "problem" of the high yeshiva tuition bills is > not a real problem because it is charity and we are guaranteed that > G-d will repay whatever we spend on charity. With that attitude we > should raise the tuition at most yeshivas and pay the rebbes a salary > they can really live on. Carl Sherer writes: >Is this correct? I always understood that the only part of Yeshiva >tuition that could be "deducted" as Tzedaka (charity) is the >difference between what one actually pays in tuition and the lowest >amount that anyone else is being charged (presumably excluding >teachers whose children are allowed to attend for free in lieu of >part of their salary). My uncle was somewhat misquoted. What the gemorra says (Betza 16a) is this:" all the parnasa of a person is determined on Rosh Hashana (for the following year) except for the amount of money spent to give honor to shabbos and yom tov, and money expended on teaching Torah. In these, the more one spends the more is given (by the decree of Rosh Hashana)." In other words, the decree on Rosh Hashana would read like this : X will receive $75,455 for the coming year plus any amount he will spend on Shabbos and Yom Tov plus his tuition. Now, the same general idea exists with regard to zedakah, that "aser b'shvil shetisaser", [give a tithe so that you will become wealthy], but that does not mean the tuition is charity. What was stated by Carl Sherer, that full tuition should be considered partly as charity is certainly a reasonable p'sak, since the amount over cost is going to help out someone else who cannot afford full tuition. But this cannot be carried to the point of assuming that all of tuition is considered zedaka. Reb Moshe Feinstein has a tshuva that states specifically that it is not considered tzedaka. With regard to the concept of "kol hamosif mosifin lo" [the more one spends, the more is added], see the Tur in the beginning of Hilchos Shabbos (Section 242) regarding the discussions he had with his father, the Rosh on this matter, since R. Akiva said, "make your Shabbosim as mundane as weekday rather than accepting charity [to enable one to give due honor to shabbos by purchasing expensive food and the like]. Chaim Twerski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <gseiden@...> (Garry Seidenfeld) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:38:24 -0500 Subject: Yeshiva Tuition and Tzedakah There is an english sefer called " Maaser Kesafim" edited by Cyril Domb which discusses this issue in detail (Pages 115 - 118). The editor summarizes many Teshuvot and says "It is generally agreed that a person should not use his maaser money for the Torah education of his own children..." unless a person in "in financial difficulties". He quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav S.Z. Auerbach as saying "that the proportion of school fees that can be attributed to the education of non-fee-paying children may be taken from maaser." He also quotes the Pri Yitzchak as being lenient in the case of older children (they were discussing a 15 year old) since one is allowed to use maaser money to support in any way, not just education, children over 6 yeras old. He says this is especially so when using funds for Mishna, Gemarrah, Halacha and Agaddah (rather than Mikrah) which he considers a non-enforceable mitzvah. From my own research (I am not a Rabbi) and looking at Rav E. Waldenberg's chapter on Maaser in the Tziz Eliezer, Chelek 9, Siman Aleph, it is clear he permits the use of Maaser money to pay for a childs wedding, apartment, furniture etc. and living expenses (especially if it allows the children to learn torah) EVEN IF THE PARENTS HAVE OTHER MONEY THAT CAN BE USED for these purposes. He suggests one should make this a condition when separating the maaser money but need/should not tell the children he is using maaser money for these payments. Rav Waldenberg goes on to show from many sources that a parents' obligation to support his children is only to the age of six and thereafter support is considered Tzedaka. He quotes the Aruch Hashulchan who dissents by arguing, if so the poor will never receive any help since every person spends at least 1/2 of his earnings on his children over 6. Rav Waldenberg takes issue with the Aruch Hashulchan and brings many proofs that one can use Maaser money to support, both for living expenses and torah study, children over the age of 6. NOTWITHSTANDING his writing pages proving the point, in his summary he permits it for those in financial difficulty for kids above or below 6. With the high cost of Jewish education in North America, I suggest a local posek should be consulted as 5 children's tuition can easily reach $35,000 annually. Those asking for reductions in tuition and then not counting tuition as maaser (ie. giving maaser money to other tzedakot) are definately in need of a psak. This was written Lezchut a Refuah Sheleyma for Hayeled Boruch Yosef ben Adina Batya as I continue to enjoy his father's contributions to this and other lists. Yehoshua (Garry) Seidenfeld <gseiden@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lewis Reich <lbr@...> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:58:51 -500 Subject: Re: Yeshiva Tuition as Tzedaka Carl Sherer asked, in response to a post by Eli Turkel: > Eli Turkel writes: > > 2. Dr. Twersky says that the "problem" of the high yeshiva tuition > > bills is > > not a real problem because it is charity and we are guaranteed > > that G-d will repay whatever we spend on charity. With that > > attitude we should raise the tuition at most yeshivas and pay > > the rebbes a salary they can really live on. > Is this correct? I always understood that the only part of Yeshiva > tuition that could be "deducted" as Tzedaka (charity) is the > difference between what one actually pays in tuition and the lowest > amount that anyone else is being charged I think that the Internal Revenue Code's provisions on deductibility of charitable contributions (l'havdil) may not be identical the halakhic definition of tzedakah. Lewis Reich <lbr@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron D. Gross <adg@...> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 21:30:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Yeshiva Tuitions as Tzedaka >Eli Turkel writes: > 2. Dr. Twersky says that the "problem" of the high yeshiva tuition bills is > not a real problem because it is charity and we are guaranteed that > G-d will repay whatever we spend on charity. With that attitude we > should raise the tuition at most yeshivas and pay the rebbes a salary > they can really live on. Did Rabbi Twersky indicate whether repayment is in this world or the next? This strains credibility since an engineer earning a respectible $60K salary with 4 children in yeshiva at $7K/each cannot possibly pay full tuition, given an additional $1000-$1500/mo in housing, plus food, tzedaka, car, taxes, insurance, etc., etc. My mortgage lender won't take Olam Haba Shekels as currency. Aaron D. Gross -- email: <adg@...> http://www.pobox.com/~adg ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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