Volume 35 Number 91 Produced: Mon Feb 18 22:41:26 US/Eastern 2002 Subjects Discussed In This Issue: Administrivia [Avi Feldblum] Rema 124 [Mark Steiner] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Avi Feldblum <mljewish@...> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:39:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Administrivia Hello All, Sorry for the break, it was only supposed to be for about 7-10 days as I ended out the quarter at work, looks like it went longer than that. I think I am back again. I'll restart this with a fairly long submission, something I do not usually do, but I think the work Mark Steiner has put into this posting makes it a worthwhile full issue posting. Avi Feldblum mail-jewish Moderator <mljewish@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Steiner <marksa@...> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:44:02 +0200 Subject: Rema 124 Recently I described a responsum of the Rema, number 124, presenting an argument whose conclusion is that it is permissible to drink Gentile wine (stam yaynam). I wrote that his motive was to save the Prussian Jews from hellfire. Criticism pointed out, first of all, that it was the Moravian Jews (this is hard for me to take, because my wife's ancestors were prominent rabbis in Moravia); and second, that the motive was not this, but to save the credibility of the Moravian Jews concerning kosher wine (since one who drinks Gentile wine should be disqualified from supervising Jewish wine). These points are correct, though the Rema does, in fact, cite as a reason for writing the responsum that evildoers are likely to point out that the Moravian Jews are not being punished by the Almighty for their deeds, and use this fact as "proof" that drinking stam yaynam is in fact permissible! Others cited opinions that 124 is a forgery, on the following basis: the author of 124 concludes, on the basis of the same argument, that stam yaynam may be drunk for medical reasons, by a bedridden patient, even if his life is not in danger. Yet Rema himself, in his comments to Y. D. 155, forbids precisely such a patient from drinking non-Jewish wine! Hence Rema could not have written 124. Of course, anybody could change his mind, and there are countless examples of rishonim who argued for contrary positions in different works. But the strict opinion is based on sound halakha: a patient whose life is not in danger may not eat any forbidden food, even if the source of the prohibition is "only" rabbinic, as is stam yaynam. For the Rema to change his mind, there would have to be an excellent argument for leniency, which leads me to my point: Missing so far in the discussion is a discussion of the argument of 124 itself (nobody criticized my account of the central argument, only what I said concerning its purpose). Assuming for the sake of argument that the responsum is genuine, the Rema deliberately constructed an incorrect argument that it is permissible to drink Gentile wine, and then hypothesized that Moravian practice is based on the argument, given in the past by a "virtual" rabbi, though today no rabbi had ever heard of the argument. Note that such an argument would have to count for something (in fact the Rema calls it "ketzat ta`am" (somewhat of a reason)), otherwise he would have failed in his task of saving the credibility of those who drink stam yaynam: if the argument were total nonsense, i.e. if it were not somewhat plausible or "ketzat panim lehatir" , as the Rema also calls it, believing in it would be equivalent to acting without any reason at all. Furthermore, the Rema himself (or the author of 124) says that his argument VALIDLY leads to the conclusion that a bedridden patient can drink stam yaynam on the advice of a doctor even if his life is not threatened. So we have a good argument, which, applied to the Moravian Jews, contains a fallacy, but applied to seriously ill (but not life-threatened) patients, does not. Now, what's the argument, and what is wrong with it? Let's begin by recalling an idea of the Hazon Ish, concerning Gentile milk, which I discussed on mail-jewish some time ago. The problem is this: rabbinic enactments may not, in practice, be abrogated today, even if the stated reasons for them no longer apply. Nevertheless, we find that the baalei Tosafot and other rishonim did argue for leniencies where the reasons for enactments did not apply: example, where cheese was made from vegetable rennet, some rishonim permitted the cheese, though the prohibition on Gentile cheese is, in fact, an enactment. The Hazon Ish distinguished between two kinds of enactments: (1) those that prohibited act A, lest one come to violate a Torah prohibition B; and (2) those which mandated that one cannot rely on high probability (rov), and must refrain from doing or eating something even if there is only a small probability (hashash lemi`ut) that it is forbidden. In type (2) enactments, the intent of the law can be satisfied by investigation, i.e. not SIMPLY relying on the law of probability. Thus, for example, the Hazon Ish argued that Gentile milk is permitted where investigation shows that an effective law prevents adulterating cow's milk with the milk of swine, since the intent of the law (not SIMPLY relying on the "rov") has been fulfilled. Type (1) enactments, by contrast, can never be annulled. Now, let's analyze the reasoning of 124. Rabbenu Tam and other "French" rabbis allow the sale of Gentile wine, against the rabbinic enactment to the contrary, because "our" Gentiles do not offer wine libations today. (This does not mean that Christianity was not regarded as avoda zara, but only that most Christians are not priests.) This leaves the wine forbidden to drink, because another reason for the enactment was the fear of social mixing and intermarriage which might follow from DRINKING non-Jewish wine. The Rema now says that one could argue (incorrectly but plausibly), by analogy to other such enactments^ÖGentile bread, oil^Öwhich were also enacted to prevent intermarriage, but which lapsed even in the Talmudic period, that once the fear of libation is removed from the Gentile wine, leaving only the fear of intermarriage, the wine would be permitted even to drink, wherever the fear of intermarriage was unjustified. Just as there is no fear of libations today, so too where there is no fear of intermarriage, the wine would, hypothetically, be permitted even to drink. This is certainly a plausible argument, one which could save the credibility of the Moravian Jews, in case they ship over wine to Cracow (the Rema writes that Moravia was a one beverage country, and that the only thing to drink was, in fact wine). Now what is wrong with this argument, and why does the Rema warn against relying on it? Using the Hazon Ish's analysis, the answer is simple: the fear of libation is a fear of relying on statistics (a type (2) enactment). Hence, since Rashi and Rabbenu Tam ascertained that the fear "today" is unfounded, we have fulfilled the intent of Hazal and have not SIMPLY relied on statistics in SELLING any particular bottle of stam yaynam. The fear of intermarriage is a type (1) enactment^Ödon't drink their wine because of fear of assimilation^Öand therefore cannot be abrogated, period. Not knowing the distinction between type (1) and type (2) enactment is an excusable mistake, and the Rema's argument is plausible enough to excuse the Moravians, but not good enough to permit the wine itself. But recall that the Rema (or the author of 124, if you are skeptical) states that his "invalid" argument is good enough to allow the use of stam yaynam by a bedridden patient who is not in a life-threatening situation. Usually, forbidden foods can not be eaten by such a patient, and the Rema has stated that stam yaynam remains forbidden even after his argument! The answer is, that the Rema in 124 (though not in Y. D. 155) holds that there is another distinction between type (1) and type (2) enactments with respect to foodstuffs. Type (2) enactments legislate that food, which ordinarily would be considered permitted because of the low probability of their being forbidden, must be categorized as forbidden food anyhow. Non-Jewish wine, therefore, must be regarded^Örabbinically^Öas though it had actually been used for idolatrous worship, despite the low probability of that having happened. Non-Jewish milk must be treated as though it were not cow's milk; non-Jewish cheese, as though it contained nonkosher rennet. These prohibitions, though rabbinic, are nevertheless ad rem (issurei heftza) prohibitions. Type (1) enactments, on the other hand, are merely ad hominem (issurei gavra). They devolve on the Jew^Öhe is not permitted to eat certain foods, lest eating them lead to transgressions such as assimilation, intermarriage. Such is the example of non-Jewish bread (before the enactment lapsed). Non-Jewish wine, aside from being originally a type (2) enactment, was ALSO a type (1) enactment, because drinking stam yaynam can lead to intermarriage. If we accept Rabbenu Tam's argument, that non-Jews today don't "know how" to make libations, then their wine is only under a type (1) enactment, and only ad hominem. Thus, the Rema (if he indeed wrote 124) concludes the responsum by an explicit comparison of drinking non-Jewish wine, to instructing a non-Jew explicitly to turn on the lights on the Sabbath (amira lenokhri) which is an ad homimen, type (1) enactment known in Hebrew as a "shvut." (Has the same root as Shabbat.) Now the author of 124, whether the Rema or not, holds that ad hominem, type (1) enactments are subject to a certain degree to the discretion of the "moreh" as he calls it (what we call the LOR). There are, he holds, extraordinary circumstances in which Hazal never intended the enactment to hold. One of them is pain, suffering, illness (mishum tza`ara). A bedridden patient may violate, for example, a "shvut"^Öasking a non-Jew explicitly to turn on the light. If this principle is accepted, AND if we further hold that in our days, non-Jewish wine is a type (1) enactment, similar to a "shvut", then the wine is not intrinsically forbidden by the rabbis, but only the act of drinking it, and this "ad hominem" prohibition can be set aside in the case of serious illness, even if not life-threatening illness. The Rema in Y. D. 155, on the other hand, holds that even type (1) enactments on wine remain ad rem prohibitions (issurei heftza), such that no discretion exists on the part of the LOR to set them aside as long as life is not in danger. We see then, that the author of 124 has: succeeded in constructed an invalid argument for drinking Gentile wine, which (a) is plausible enough to save the Moravians (if we attribute, hypothetically, the argument to their past local rabbis) from the label of sinners whose supervision on wine is not to be trusted; (b) is VALID enough (once you accept its basic premises, which the poskim do NOT) to allow seriously ill patients who need to drink stam yaynam to drink it; (c) cannot be relied upon by anybody else. I find it hard to believe that anybody but the Rema could have constructed such an argument, but note that even if the Rema did write 124, there is ABSOLUTELY NO IMPLICATION that to drink non-Jewish wine for a healthy person is in fact permitted; this is made absolutely clear by the author of 124, Rema or not. I believe, in conclusion, that Responsum 125, the very next one, sheds some light on the question whether Rema wrote 124. 125, which was clearly written by Rema, was a defense of an extremely controversial action of his, namely performing a wedding late Friday night! Aside from the boldness of the conclusion (which shows that Rema was capable of fierce independence of thought, in some ways greater than the author of 124), the reasoning behind 125 is germane to our topic, because the Rema caused, even instigated, the violation of a "shvut" (type (1) enactment concerning the Sabbath) on a discretionary basis against an explicit Mishna (Betza, Chapter 5). This act, as he writes, caused a tremendous uproar in Cracow and, I suppose, other places, but he did it in order to prevent the cancellation of the hupa and to prevent the public humiliation of a Jewish woman whose only sin was poverty (for details, read the responsum). Here, again (i.e. again, if 124 was written by Rema), Rema argued in great and learned detail, that the gedolei hador were given discretion (by the Talmud, of course) to argue that a type (1) enactment (shvut), conducting a wedding on Shabbat, was never meant to apply in an emergency situation where the marriage is at stake and also the dignity of a daughter of Israel. It is now possible to speculate as follows: the Rema wrote both 124 and the comment to Y. D. 155, except that in 124 he was willing to say that a type (1) enactment, not to drink non-Jewish wine, lest intermarriage result, does not create a prohibition ad rem (issur heftza) on the wine itself, and thus the usual rule, that a bedridden patient whose life is not in danger may not eat even rabbinically forbidden food, is set aside, at the discretion of the LOR (moreh). In Y. D. 155 he obviously did not accept this reasoning, and I have not come across any of the usual poskim who agree with 124, so it would appear that the bottom line is, that even a patient whose life is not in danger can NOT drink any but kosher wine even for medical reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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