Volume 38 Number 36 Produced: Wed Jan 22 22:11:28 US/Eastern 2003 Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 12.5% of Gedolim are Female [Russell J Hendel] Benyamin/Ben-oni, WAS Baby-naming [Shayna Kravetz] Children, Having Many [Aliza Berger] Explicit Statements in Rambam: Rabbis Get Preferential Treatment [Russell J Hendel] Golem of Prague (6) [Zev Sero, Gilad J. Gevaryahu, Gil Student, Gilad J. Gevaryahu, Moshe Goldberg, A Seinfeld] Heimish? [David Ziants] Heimish [Mordechai] Kol Nidrei food drive [Art Werschulz] Kollel and Yissochor-Zevulun [Ira Bauman] Lack of Job Training etc. [Esther Posen] Lack of Job Training, Kollel and Tzedaka [Mike Grynberg] Naming Babies [Gil Student] Solowejczyk [Eli Turkel] Synagogue charters / Shul constitutions [David Ziants] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russell J Hendel <rjhendel@...> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:40:06 -0500 Subject: 12.5% of Gedolim are Female Lisa Halpern in v38n22 raises the issue of whether a woman could be a Gadol I already cited Golda Meir as an example of a Female (Respected) Jewish leader. Going back further we can cite Devorah who was (a) female (b) a prophetess (c) led Israel to Military victory(Something not usually associated with women). Similarly Ester led Israel to Military victory and was a female prophetess. In fact the Talmud emphasizes that the men did not want Purim (because of the potential anti-semitism) but Ester pushed it thru. So yes...women can and have been prophetesses and great leaders. On an actuarial note, there were 7 female prophetesses and 48 male prophets. That would suggest a 1/8 ratio (More than the secular world can boast about) (This answers several later postings who also mentioned Nechama Leibowitz but said that Female Gedolim are rare---in my book 1/8 is not raRe) So I think Judaism is enlightened and ahead of their nonJewish peers. Russell Jay Hendel; RASHI:http://www.RashiYomi.com/ WEB: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RashiYomi_Job/ EMAIL: <RashiYomi_Job-subscribe@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shayna Kravetz <skravetz@...> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:17:55 -0400 Subject: Benyamin/Ben-oni, WAS Baby-naming Immanuel Burton writes: >>With regards to Leah naming her children, it does indeed seem that the >>wife decided her children's names. However, we see in Parshat >>Vayishlach (Genesis 35:18) that Rachel gave the name Ben Oni to Binyomin >>as she was dying, but Jacob gave the name Binyomin instead, thereby >>over-ruling Rachel's decision. I learned in a shiur taught by Rachael Turkienicz the idea that the child's two names are not opposites but synonyms. Yamin and On are both words meaning strength or power, although many commentaries take the word "on" to mean pain, which is certainly another possible reading. So, with this in mind, the idea that the mother has the power to name remains intact. Shayna Toronto ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aliza Berger <alizadov@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:37:03 +0200 Subject: Children, Having Many In a discussion of lack of job training for haredim, .Tzadik. Vanderhoof writes: <<He marries and has a vary large family, again, based on the cultural atmosphere,>> To which Chaim Mateh asks rhetorically: <<I thought it's a Mitzvah (albeit a Rabbinic rather than Biblical), for ALL Jews, to have as many children as we can?>> I'm interested in sources and reasons on either side: (1) for having many children being a cultural "strong suggestion," and (2) that it is an actual mitzvah. (A while back I asked for actual sources for the idea that Jews should have many children because of the great numbers lost in the Holocaust, and did not get very far.) Aliza Aliza Berger & Dov Cooper Betar 22/1, Jerusalem 93386 Israel Home: +972 2 671-2955 Cell: +972 55 323-948 (A) +972 54 722-948 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russell J Hendel <rjhendel@...> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:40:54 -0500 Subject: Explicit Statements in Rambam: Rabbis Get Preferential Treatment Sammy Finkelman in v38n22 states cites me and states -> From: Russell J Hendel <rjhendel@...> -> First: Rambam is not telling us to abstain from giving Scholars -> money. Rather Rambam is requiring that money not be given as gifts -> but rather in the form of business preferences. eg If I need a Sammy responds as follows: > No, he is not saying that either. His complaint is, I believe, against > the whole idea of using the Torah as a spade to dig with (which is where > in Pirkei Avos his comment is attached to - Perek 4, Mishnah 5) Getting > advantages in business is ALSO making it a tool to dig with, nor is it > the type of examples and precedents he cites. Let me be clear and explicit: The Rambam DOES say exactly what I cited him as saying (Citation below). In other words my original statement stands: One does not pay Scholars for learning (gifts) but they DO get preferential treatment Here are the citations Rambam Laws of Torah 5:1 -- Rabbis get preference it return of lost objects Rambam ibid 6:10--Rabbis do not have to pay taxes for fortresses Rambam 6:10--They do not pay city taxes Rambam 6:10 They get preference (1st take) in commercial matters. Russell Jay Hendel; RASHI:http://www.RashiYomi.com/ WEB: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RashiYomi_Job/ EMAIL: <RashiYomi_Job-subscribe@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zev Sero <Zev.Sero@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:35:05 -0700 Subject: Golem of Prague Gilad J. Gevaryahu <Gevaryahu@...> wrote: > The Golem of Pargue, you are referring to was invented by Rabbi Yudel > Rosenberg (1859-1935) about 100 years ago. [...] > One can read the biography of Rabbi Rosenberg at: > http://www.rabbiyehudahyudelrosenberg.com/biography.htm and then quoted an article claiming that > So popular did this "super-hero" become that we find it difficult to > believe that the story had no basis in either fact or legend before > Rosenberg introduced it in a book published in Warsaw in 1909!" Anyone who looks in the biography linked to above will note that "the tradition that the Maharal created a Golem antedates R Rosenberg's birth. Already in 1837, references about the Maharal and the Golem appeared in print. The early printed accounts indicate that these accounts had an oral history before being recorded." The article then goes on to cite sources from 1837, 1841, 1842, 1864 and 1856. It is clear, then, that Rosenberg did not invent the golem in 1909. To claim that Rosenberg invented the Maharal's Golem seems as ridiculous as claiming that Stoker invented Count Dracula, and to claim that he invented the golem is like claiming that Stoker invented the vampire. Both took existing legends and elaborated on them to produce popular works of fiction, in the process inventing details which subsequently became part of the legend. And there is good reason to believe that, in Rosenberg's case, the legend on which he based his book had a factual basis. Zev Sero <zsero@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <Gevaryahu@...> (Gilad J. Gevaryahu) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:08:22 EST Subject: Golem of Prague Zev Sero writes: <<To claim that Rosenberg invented the Maharal's Golem seems as ridiculous as claiming that Stoker invented Count Dracula, and to claim that he invented the golem is like claiming that Stoker invented the vampire.>> My claim was that Rosenberg invented the Golem of the Maharal in the sense that he made him a popular corporal person. This was based on the material I have provided-this is not my discovery-I was just the reporter. The Golem as a metaphysical being dates back, in Jewish sources, to the Talmudic time. In essence Rosenberg story made a footnote of a legendary material into a household name amongst the Jews. Gilad J. Gevaryahu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gil Student <gil_student@...> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:56:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Golem of Prague Gilad Gevaryahu wrote: >The Golem of Pargue, you are referring to was invented by Rabbi Yudel >Rosenberg (1859-1935) about 100 years ago. See an article about the >whole story by Sid Leiman. Shnayer Z. Leiman, The Adventure of the >Maharal of Prague in London: R. Yudl Rosenberg and the Golem of Prague, >TRADITION, Vol. 36, No. 1, Spring 2002, p. 38, fn. 8. R' SZ Leiman did not conclude that the Golem was invented by R' Yudl Rosenberg. That is actually impossible because the first mention of the Golem was in 1837, before RY Rosenberg was born. Here are RSZ Leiman's words from the above-cited article, p. 33: "Did the Maharal create a Golem? If our only evidence for the Maharal's Golem came from the writings of R. Yudl, we would perforce conclude that the Maharal's Golem is imaginary. In fact, the tradition that the Maharal created a Golem antedates R. Yudl. Already in 1837 (before R. Yudl was born), legends about the Maharal and the Golem appeared in print. The early printed accounts indicate that these legends had an oral history before being recorded. They probably go back at least to the second half of the eighteenth century. Unlike R. Yudl's version, these accounts never speak about blood libel, and they know nothing about a Cardinal Johann Sylvester. Nonetheless, the gap between the death of the Maharal in 1609 and the first printed account in 1837 is striking. There is certainly no evidence contemporary with the Maharal that he-the Maharal-created a Golem. Rationalists dismiss the late accounts out of hand; mystics hold on to them dearly, though they often seem unaware of just how late and thin these traditions really are." Gil Student ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <Gevaryahu@...> (Gilad J. Gevaryahu) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:50:52 EST Subject: Golem of Prague Gil Student wrote: <<R' SZ Leiman did not conclude that the Golem was invented by R' Yudl Rosenberg. That is actually impossible because the first mention of the Golem was in 1837, before RY Rosenberg was born. Here are RSZ Leiman's words from the above-cited article, p. 33:>> When I said that R. Yudl Rosenberg "invented" the Golem of Prague, based on the knowledge attained from, inter alia, listening RSZ Leiman's lecture about the subject and reading his article, I meant that after Rosenberg's story came out, a footnote about a metaphysical creature became Basar VaDam and acted in History, and became a household item in Israel. So R. Yudl created a great deal of the liveliness of the Golem. Maybe I should have used the word "re-invented" him, but many of the features used by Rosenberg are brand new. In fact the story about the Golem narrated by Rosenberg is brand new, other than the concept itself. So the verb "invented" is still the most accurate word to describe the literary creation of R. Rosenberg. Gilad J. Gevaryahu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moshe Goldberg <mgold@...> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:31:47 +0200 (IST) Subject: Golem of Prague > One can read the biography of Rabbi Rosenberg at: > http://www.rabbiyehudahyudelrosenberg.com/biography.htm However, this very reference of Rabbi Rosenberg's biography, a draft by Aaron Brody, does not agree that he invented the story: # The tradition that the Maharal created a Golem antedates # R. Rosenberg's birth. Already in 1837, references about the Maharal # and the Golem appeared in print.[123] The early printed accounts # indicate that these accounts had an oral history before being # recorded.[124] # # "During the reign of Rudolph II there lived among the Jews of Prague a # man named Bezalel Low, who, because of his tall stature and great # learning, was called der hole [the Great] Rabbi Low. This rabbi was # well versed in all of the arts and sciences, especially in the # Kabbalah. By means of this art he would bring to life figures formed # out of clay or carved from wood, who, like real men, would perform # whatever task was asked of them. Such homemade servants are very # valuable; they do not eat; they do not drink; and they do not require # any wages. They work untiringly; one can scold them, and they do not # answer back. # # "Rabbi Low had fashioned for himself one such servant out of clay, placed # in this mouth the Name (a magic formula), and thereby brought him to # life. This artificial servant performed all of the menial tasks in the # house throughout the week: chopping wood, carrying water, etc..." Moshe Goldberg -- <mgold@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A Seinfeld <ASeinfeld@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:29:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Golem of Prague This assertion seems to be false. One does not have to look far for pre-1909 references (legendary?) to the golem. For example, R. Yisroel Salanter (1810-1883) famously observes: "The Maharal of Prague created a golem, and this was a great wonder. But how much more wonderful is it to transform a corporeal human being into a mensch!" Alexander Seinfeld ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Art Werschulz <agw@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:47:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kol Nidrei food drive Hi. Wendy Baker <wbaker@...> writes: > About two years ago I had an idea that would help many people of all > kinds and might help with "Chaverim Kol Yisrael" while sensitizing > all synagogue Jews to the needs of the poor and hungry. > > Try this: On what night do the most Jews in the US attend synagogue? > Of course, the answer is Kol Nidre. Why not have every synagogue, > no matter its affiliation, have a Kol Nidre food drive where every > person can bring a donation of non-perishable food to the synagogue > before the services. Our shul (Cranford NJ) has been doing this for a number of years. It's not that hard to organize. Notice needs to go out in advance to remind people. We put it in our second pre-HHD mailing (the first mailing deals with gashmiyut-issues such as financial matters, tickets, and the like, whereas the second deals with ruchniyut-issues, such as msgs from the rabbi about the importance of the season). Of course, since a lot of mailed material is going out that time of the year, it's important to announce the food collection from the bima. If you have a telephone auto-dialer system, a shul-wide email list, or a shul website, these might also be good places to publicize. You also need to make sure that you have a sufficient number of food bins in the lobby. If you do a Kol Nidrei Israel Bonds campaign, you'll also want to coordinate same; people drop off cans of food and pick up their pledge forms. Art Werschulz GCS/M (GAT): d? -p+ c++ l u+(-) e--- m* s n+ h f g+ w+ t++ r- y? Internet: <agw@...><a href="http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~agw/">WWW</a> ATTnet: Columbia U. (212) 939-7061, Fordham U. (212) 636-6325 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Ziants <dziants@...> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:04:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Heimish? A number of posters specifically defined "Heimish" as "Chasidish". I used to hear this in the wider context of being of a Eastern European "Yiddish" orientation, so "Litvish" (Lithuanian) could also be called "Heimish". There is supposed to be a certain "free" spirit associated with a "heimish" congregation. A "Yekish" (Germanic) congregation would be its opposite (for example pacing up and down whilst davening in a Yekish shul is definitely not on, whilst this certainly could be a feature of a heimish shul) . I guess the car-hire owners would go (or their ancestors would have gone) to the first type of shul(?) David Ziants <dziants@...> Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <Phyllostac@...> (Mordechai) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:24:22 EST Subject: Heimish As the original questioner posted, the word heimish means like (in / at) the home. The key to understanding it, however, I think, is to realize that it is not a reference to the house one lives in - rather to 'der alter heim' - a Yiddish expression for 'the old country' / the old family homestead in Europe / in a shtetl - the place where the users of the expression or their forebears came from - a place nostalgically (if not always totally accurately) thought of as where Jews lived in accordance with age-old rythms and traditions - before changes brought up about by the many migrations, persecutions, upheavals, etc., of recent times...... Therefore I think that it is more of a reference to 'pre-modern' Jews - perhaps we can use the term 'chareidim' as well - and not particularly to hassidim. So then, it is possible for a Litvak to be Heimish too ! Mordechai ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <Yisyis@...> (Ira Bauman) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:42:42 EST Subject: Re: Kollel and Yissochor-Zevulun I recently read an essay wherein the author made a point that the Yissochor-Zevulun relationship may simply be an arrangement between two sh'votim but not meant to be a model for klal yisroel. In my own meager research I see that the original source in Medrash Rabbah (ber. 72:5) and in the Tanchumah describes the relationship as a commendable one. Zevulun's name precedes Yissochor's in Vayechi and Vezos Habrachah because of it. However, Zevulun is described as businessmen and international traders who shared their mercantile successes with their brothers. This arrangement may not translate similarly to the other shvotim who sustained their families with labor intensive farming and may not be expected to work twice the hours and give up their leisure time and learning for another tribe. The Yissochor-Zevulun model as a paradigm for all klal yisrael is not compelling. The Sforno in Vayechi (49:13) endorses it , the Ibn Ezra pointedly ignores it, and Nechama Leibowitz says that Rambam emphatically rejects it. Nowadays, endorsements of the model seem to come almost exclusively from those in the Yissochor encampment (rebbeim, kollel administrators,etc.). Might they be Nogeah B'davar (have a personal stake in the matter) and therefore suspect. Your comments please. Ira Bauman <Yisyis@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Esther Posen <eposen@...> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:14:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Lack of Job Training etc. G-d in his infinite wisdom could have provided for all of us, those with and those without job training. People in need exist in G-d's plan as an opportunity for us to do chesed. Incidentally, at a time when many highly trained individuals who at one time made six figure incomes are out of jobs, it is ludicrous for us to still believe in our own planning abilities. Esther Posen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Grynberg <mikeg@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:29:43 +0200 Subject: Lack of Job Training, Kollel and Tzedaka While I do feel that we need to support people learning in Yeshiva, I only feel the need to support the exceptional scholars, or helping out the people that decide to take off a year to learn Torah, to recharge their spiritual batteries. I do not believe people should intentionally place themselves in a position of not being able to support themselves and expect others to do so. While you can claim that Hashem blessed me with X dollars, and I should therefore help them out, who is to say he would not bless the perpetual yeshiva student with the same means? I do not believe that Hashem placed us on this world to spend our whole lives in Yeshiva. We are meant to live a Torah life, not just learn about it. I think even a Kollelnik would admit that it is preferable to build the sukka and live in it during sukkot than just to learn Masechet Sukkot, even though "talmud Torah k'neged kulam" (loosely translated - learning Torah is equivalent to all the mitzvot). We could take the literal meaning of "talmud Torah k'neged kulam" and say that *any* mitzva is secondary to learning Torah. We should not visit the sick, or help others. We should not put on tefillin get married or have children, after all, learning Torah is equivalent to all these mitzvot. So we do have some agreement that *learning* Torah is not the ideal by itself, it is a means to an end. It enables us to live within the world, interact with it, within the framework of mitzvot and serving Hashem. While we do need leaders, and we need to cultivate leaders, and we do need people for Chinuch (education), and soferim, I think the supply far surpasses the demand. Even if you argue it does not, I think you would agree the financial requirements of the Kollel community surpass the financial resources of the Kollel COmmunity. When me and my wife were living in Bnei Brak, almost no-one came to our door collecting for Tzedaka, and indeed Bnei Brak is one of the poorest Israeli cities. Once we moved to Gush Etzion, two or three people a night was not uncommon for our working, largely national-religous neighborhood. Even if you still believe that it is my responsibility to support these people, I would like to understand what makes their cause worthier than a woman with 5 children whose husband was killed in a terror attack? Or a person collecting money for a life saving operation for their daughter? We are back to the priority issue of Tzedaka, should we support someone who by choice does not earn money and cannot support themselves, or should we support those people struck by tragedy, who have no other recourse than asking us for financial assistance? Just to clarify, I do believe that some people should do nothing but learn Torah, and be supported by the community, we do need leaders. People that can Pasken and innovate, carry Halacha forward to meet new challenges. However these people are the exceptional ones, the ones that have an aptitude for learning Torah, the ones that can really succeed, the ones that can delve into the theoretical and with equal ease apply it to the practical as necessary. But whole communities do not fall under this definition. Mike Grynberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gil Student <gil_student@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:26:13 -0500 Subject: RE: Naming Babies Immanuel Burton wrote: >I once heard that the wife has the deciding vote for the name >of the first child, the husband for the second, the wife for the >third, and so on. Has anyone else heard this? I'm afraid I have >no idea where to look this up. Some rishonim (see Radak, Maharam miRothenburg, Da'as Zekeinim on Bereishis 38:5) say that the custom in the time of the Avos was the exact opposite. The father had the right to name the first child; the mother, the second; etc. Ramban (ad loc.) disagrees with the proof. The way Immanuel describes it seems to be the standard custom today in yeshivishe and chassidishe families (at least in the NY area). Gil Student ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eli Turkel <turkel@...> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:08:17 GMT Subject: Solowejczyk I am currently reading the recent biography of the GRIZ (R. Velvel Soloveitchik). It has loads of pictures and many interesting stories. Of course it is also politically correct. Hence, the section on the family has a description of R. Moshe Soloveitchik, his brother, written by R. Meiselman but no discussion of any children. On the other hand the discussion on the older brother, Yisrael Gershon, centers on his son R. Moshe Soloveitchik of Zurich. Also with the myriad of pictures in the book of family and other gedolim there is no picture of RYBS of Boston/YU. I add the description since there are many pictures of RYBS of Jerusalem who was the oldest son of the GRIZ (obviously both cousins were named after their mutual great grandfather - the Bet Halevi). Also in the beginning is a family tree including the Netziv. However, the Netziv's children show R. Chaim Berlin and a daughter while R. Meir Bar-Ilan disappears. The Hebrew spelling of Soloveitchik used is with two -alephs and a tzaddi near the end. Interestingly in a newpaper article of the hesped for R. Chaim Soloveitchik it is spelled with a tet-shin at the end instead of the tzaddi. In Latin letters the official letterhead of the Griz was Solowejczyk. What I found most fascinating was a picture of the tombstones of R. Moshe Soloveitchik and his wife Pesha. The one for RMS is all in Hebrew and uses the spelling of two alephs and a tzaddi. However, the one for his wife (whi died some 25 years later) has her name (modern spelling) and date of death also in English and soloveitchik is spelled in Hebrew with vav instead of aleph. Thus, two tombstones right next to each other have different spellings of Soloveitchik in Hebrew. I have no idea of the reason, except to venture that with the time the spellings were modernized. But in any case it is clear that the spellings changed many times over the years and the family did not insist on the modern spelling for RMS. My assumption is that in both cases it was the sons that decided. Prof. Eli Turkel, <turkel@...> on 01/13/2003 Department of Mathematics, Tel Aviv University ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Ziants <dziants@...> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:43:46 +0200 Subject: Synagogue charters / Shul constitutions I hope that a general word about Israeli shul charters is not out of place here. Many shuls in Israel are registered as Amutot or non-profit organisations. This way, the shul can sometimes receive various financial benefits from public sources, and being an Amuta is a pre-condition for applying for tax-exemption status. Typically, the membership of the Amuta is comprised of shul members who agree to pay a certain sum (for example towards the building costs) above the standard membership fee. By law, an Amuta has to have a takanon (a charter) - but if it doesn't have its own takanon, it can rely on the "takanon hamatzooi" - a standard very general takanon laid out as an appendix to the Chok HaAmutot (Amutot Law). The takanon would state out how one becomes a member of the Amuta, general shul membership fees, Amuta member discounts, the various committees and governing bodies of the Amuta, how decisions are made, etc. The takanon itself can be changed by a general meeting of the Amuta membership, which has to take place at least once a year. For it to be effective, the takanon, or changes thereto, has to be registered in the relevant office of the Ministry Of Interior. Additional things that a shul might want to write in its takanon might be, for example, general membership costs and structure, the nusach of the shul, who makes halachik decisions, the type of extra activities the shul is allowed to support apart from tefillot and shiurim, hiring out the shul-hall to members or non-members, .. and there are probably many more things. Of course many of these decisions need not be written in the takanon, but can rather be delegated to the various committees that the general meeting of the Amuta decides to form. I am reasonably sure what I stated above is correct, but it has been a few years since I looked into this subject in detail and my memory might have faded since then. I am sure that there are more reliable sources that can confirm or refute the above. I also don't know whether anything has changed in these matters over the last years. David Ziants <dziants@...> Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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