Volume 41 Number 94 Produced: Thu Jan 22 6:30:31 US/Eastern 2004 Subjects Discussed In This Issue: Academic Status to Rabbinic Degree (2) [Josh Backon, Art Werschulz] Does potential spouses really have to tell everything [Stephen Colman] Meat-Birds-Fish - Insightful Midrash [Russell J Hendel] More on Fish, Milk and Meat ["Benschar, Tal S."] An Open and Shut Case [David Waysman] Sources on Spirituality, etc. [R. Jeffrey Saks] Walking into a church (2) [Michael Kahn, Gilad J. Gevaryahu] Yeshivot and Degrees [<rubin20@...>] Zemirot (5) [Ari Trachtenberg, Dr. Jeffrey R. Woolf, Gil Student, Gershon Dubin, Janice Gelb] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <BACKON@...> (Josh Backon) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:27 +0200 Subject: Academic Status to Rabbinic Degree I teach at the medical school here. Hebrew University is gravitating toward a European model of a PhD where instead of one long dissertation, the graduate student can get 5 articles published in peer-reviewed journals and then write a short precis summarizing the results and relevance of the 5 papers. Since rabbis in the USA get a master's degree (MHL), and since Yadin Yadin smicha engenders at least 3-4 further years of full time study where the student (at least in Israel) is encouraged to publish articles in one of the dozen or so halachic journals, and since there is a very rigorous written and oral exam involved in getting Yadin Yadin smicha, in my opinion Yadin Yadin could be equivalent to the European model of a PhD. Last but not least: there is a third pathway: the British PhD by publication. Someone with a BA who has extensive (15+) publications in peer reviewed journals *or* who has published a major textbook [in our case a Sefer halacha or a commentary on Talmud] could have the book made into a PhD assuming it's novel and published by a non-vanity publishing house. Josh Backon <backon@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Art Werschulz <agw@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Academic Status to Rabbinic Degree David Riceman <driceman@...> writes: > A Ph.D. requires a substantial novel contribution to the field. Yadin > yadin rquires mastery of previously known material. The proper analogy > is law school. Perhaps another analogy would be a Doctor of Arts degree? Carnegie-Mellon Unviersity grants a D.A. in Mathematical Sciences, described as follows: The Doctor of Arts Degree shares all requirements and standards with the Ph.D., except with respect to the thesis. The D.A. thesis is not expected to display the sort of original research required for the Ph.D. thesis, but instead to demonstrate an ability to organize, understand, and present mathematical ideas in a scholarly way, usually with sufficient originality and worth to produce publishable work. Whenever practical, the Department provides D.A. candidates the opportunity to use materials developed to teach a course. While the typical Ph.D. recipient will seek a position which has a substantial research component, as at a large university or in an industrial or governmental research laboratory, the D.A. recipient usually will seek a position where research is not central. Art Werschulz GCS/M (GAT): d? -p+ c++ l u+(-) e--- m* s n+ h f g+ w+ t++ r- y? Internet: <agw@...><a href="http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~agw/">WWW</a> ATTnet: Columbia U. (212) 939-7060, Fordham U. (212) 636-6325 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <StephenColman2@...> (Stephen Colman) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:00:53 EST Subject: Does potential spouses really have to tell everything <To add to Russell's message: What about telling a date if you had done things that are punishable by Karies? Now that is really frightening. If you are aware of an aveira for which you are punishable by Koreis - that would definately affect your spouse. However, a) we are all bechezkas Kashrus, and b) In general, we always have the option to do teshuva, which will help wipe the slate clean and c) In particular when a person gets married and davens the erev yom kippur mincha prior to the chupa complete with vidui, he is like a new person starting a new life with (hopefully) his previous aveiros behind him. Stephen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russell J Hendel <rjhendel@...> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:42:48 -0500 Subject: RE: Meat-Birds-Fish - Insightful Midrash Thought I would share this cute "evolutionary" agaddah on Meat, Birds, and Fish. - Mammals which are at the top of the evolutionary scale (ie complex) - require a slaughter of two signs (foodpipe and windpipe). Birds which - are a bit lower on the scale require slaughter of only one sign. Fish - which are still lower require no signs. Thus the 2-1-0 mirrors the - evolutionary complexity of the animal. Saw this I believe in Midrash Rabbah someplace Rav Hirsch also uses it to explain ritual impurity The closer an animal is to man the more its death reminds man of his own vulnerability and hence the higher degree of Toomah Russell Jay Hendel; http://www.Rashiyomi.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benschar, Tal S." <tbenschar@...> Subject: More on Fish, Milk and Meat A previous poster pointed out that while the Beis Yoseph does write that fish and milk should not be mixed for health reasons, the Shach states that that is a taut sopher (scribal error). Nevertheless, it is the practice of many Sephardim not to mix fish and milk. This practice appears to me to contradict an express statement in the Gemara. I believe it is in Hullin: Dagim shealu be k'ara mootar leachlam bekutach. Translated, it means: Fish which were placed on a [hot meat] platter may [still] be eaten with dairy foods. [Kutach was a condiment made of milk, bread crumbs and salt] The point of that statement is that the fish remains pareve despite having been placed on a hot meat platter. (The exact extent of this leniency is debated by the commentators; some would even permit it if the fish were COOKED in a meat pot.) For our purposes, however, it seems to me a pretty clear statement that one may eat fish with dairy foods. Why would the gemara chose fish as an example of a food remaining pareve when eating fish with milk is unhealthy? Anyone know of an answer to this question? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Waysman <waysmand@...> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:02:17 +1100 Subject: An Open and Shut Case There seems to be no universal custom as to whether the 'Pticha' 1) shuts the Aron Hakodesh immediately he hands the Sefer Torah to Chazan or, 2) waits till after 'Gadlu' to do so. Aesthetically, it makes sense to wait so that the Chazan is bowing towards an open Aron as well as the other Sefarim, but clearly those who belong to the first school (including, but not just, Lubavitchers) have some sort of reason for their action. Is Pticha something that should be performed in a consistent manner in a shule, or, in a healthy sign diversity is it OK for members of the one kehilla to do it differently to each other. David Waysman (still bereft of an LOR) <Waysmand@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R. Jeffrey Saks <atid@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:20:33 +0200 Subject: Sources on Spirituality, etc. I am looking to identify traditional Jewish texts and sources--both classic and modern--that speak to the role of emotions in Avodat Hashem, as well as the subjective experience in ritual and religious life. More generally, on the centrality of "spirituality" in Judaism (I admit, of course, that it's a "slippery" term). Any suggestions appreciated--please reply to me directly at <atid@...> (as well as on-list if you choose). Jeffrey Saks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Kahn <mi_kahn@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:36:01 -0500 Subject: RE: Walking into a church >Good thing I'm not a Cohain -- as the body of John Paul Jones lies >their repleat with Marine Honor Guard. >From what I understand, it is a machlokes if a cohen may be metama (contaminate himself) to the body of a non-Jew. I was told that it is only prohibited by a yesh omrim (one opinion) in shulchan Aruch but it is customary to be machmir (stringent.) Ask your LOR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <Gevaryahu@...> (Gilad J. Gevaryahu) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:27:25 EST Subject: Walking into a church Carl Singer wrote (MJv41n91) <<Good thing I'm not a Cohain -- as the body of John Paul Jones lies their repleat with Marine Honor Guard.>> "Kivrei aku"m einam me'tam'im be-ohel" [=The graves of idol worshippers do not defile in a tent] (Tosfot, Shabbat 15b s.v. ve-avira litlot). The grave of John Paul Jones, in and of itself, would not be an issue. Gilad J. Gevaryahu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <rubin20@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:36:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Yeshivot and Degrees >There are Yeshivas in the U.S. that grant college degrees. I do not >know specifically which accreditation organization has audited them. I >saw a resume from a fine young man who had studied at Lakewood for many >years. He had a Masters in, as I recall, Analytical Studies, from >B.M.G. Bais Medresh Gevoah (Lakewood) He also had computer skills via >courses he had taken while in Kollel. He was leaving Kollel (and the >support of his father-in-law) to start making a living for his wife and >children. Most Yeshivas in the US are accredited by ARTS, Association of Rabbinic and Talmudic Schools. B.M.G. is also accredited by the State of New Jersey. As such, its graduated are able to substitute it's degree for a B.A. for any state purpose (such as CPA exam or Law school admitting). Of course, since the yeshiva dose not offer any secular studies, the actual course work has to be take else where. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari Trachtenberg <trachten@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:30:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Zemirot > From: Aharon A. Fischman <afischman@...> > Many Shabbat Zemirot have the Shem Hashem [name of G-d] as part of the > text of the song. When singing the zemirot should one say the Shem > Hashem like they were davening, or just say HASHEM as if it were not > davening? There is a nice resposne to this on the Ohr Somayach "Ask The Rabbi" column (http://ohr.edu/ask/ask131.htm), together with citations. In essence, their response is that one should use the name of G-d as written. Best, -Ari ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dr. Jeffrey R. Woolf <woolfj@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:52:12 +0300 Subject: Zemirot I seem to remember a psaq that bounced around for a long time that if the name is recited as part of praise of God, then it may be said straight out. It's pretty clear, though, that this would not apply where the tune leads one to repeat God's Name, which is not appropriate. Jeffrey Woolf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gil Student <gil_student@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:34:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Zemirot Follow your family custom. The simple reading of halachah is that it is entirely permissible to say G-d's name in zemiros but Rav Soloveitchik held that the permissibility of doing so is a machlokes and he was machmir. I believe that R' Hershel Schachter quotes this in Nefesh HaRav. When his grandson, R' Mayer Twersky, told me the same thing, he added that it seems to him that the minhag is according to the lenient view. Generally speaking, Ashkenazim are much stricter than Sepharadim on issues relating to saying G-d's name. Since it boils down to a matter of Yiras Hashem, something which is unfortunately currently in less abundance than it once was, I think that being strict on these issues (in absence of a family custom) is a good thing. Just my opinion. Gil Student <gil_student@...> www.aishdas.org/student ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gershon Dubin <gershon.dubin@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: Zemirot Say the Shem. Sorry, can't recall the source, but this is not my own opinion; I've heard it from prominent rabbis. Gershon <gershon.dubin@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janice Gelb <j_gelb@...> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:40:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Zemirot Often, "Hashem" doesn't scan in a zemer's tune properly so I've usually heard people use a k: "eloKim," "Koh ribon," etc. Janice ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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