Volume 43 Number 09
Produced: Sun Jun 20 6:46:07 US/Eastern 2004
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
3 weeks and 17 Tammuz
[Benschar, Tal S.]
Alternate uses for "banned" Sheitels
[Stephen Phillips]
The Curse Of Eve
[Frank Silbermann]
Encountering an electric device inadvertently on Shabbat
[Stephen Phillips]
Erev 17 Tammuz (2)
[Dani Wassner, Yakir]
Error -- the word "NOT" was extraneous in Original Post
[Carl Singer]
Mazal Tov
[Avi Feldblum]
Nusach Tefillah
[Binyamin Lemkin]
One vote or 3 ?
[David Waysman]
Single-handled faucets on Shabbat (2)
[Maurice Wieder, Daniel]
Tanya
[Shoshana Ziskind]
What we say during Hagba
[Yakir]
Why stripes on tallis?
[Joel Wiesen]
Y'kum Purkan - Who is an Individual?
[Yehuda Landy]
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From: Benschar, Tal S. <tbenschar@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:24:01 -0400
Subject: 3 weeks and 17 Tammuz
Martin Stern wrote:
> The restrictions only apply from amud hashachar or, in high latitudes
> where there is no proper night, from halachic midnight. Davenning
> ma'ariv has the same effect even if it was done early i.e. after plag
> haminchah.
I believe that both Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Soloveichik ruled
otherwise, i.e. the restrictions of the three weeks begin at shkio the
night before 17 Tammuz. (The fast, of course, begins at amud hashachar)
I believe that Rav Soloveichik's psak is recorded in Nefesh HaRav put
out by Rav Shachter. This would preclude, for example, a wedding on the
night before 17 Tammuz.
Any sources to support either view?
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From: Stephen Phillips <admin@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:25:52 +0100
Subject: Re: Alternate uses for "banned" Sheitels
> From: Carl Singer <casinger@...>
> Some of you may be aware of programs such as "Locks of Love" where
> people donate hair to be used in making wigs for cancer victims.
> Although it would not be as graphic and worthy of news coverage as
> burning sheitels on (was it) Lee Avenue -- would their be any issues of
> hannoh (deriving benefit) if women who felt their sheitels were "treif"
> donating them to a cancer related charity ....OK don't take the tax
> deduction.
2 points. One is that giving something to someone else gives hano'oh to
the giver, especially to a charity. Secondly, it is quite possible that
one or more of the beneficiaries of this charity may be Jewish.
Stephen Phillips
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From: Frank Silbermann <fs@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:12:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: The Curse Of Eve
Janice Gelb (V43 N05):
> I don't know if Mr Shachter's experiences as a grad student influenced
> his view of women in this area but just as all people do not have the
> same personalities and interests, all women do not have the same approach
> to their sexuality nor do all men.
I don't think anybody _really_ questions this.
> This message assumes that all women are the same in terms of sexuality
> and their response to it, and that all men are the same in terms of
> their willingness and ability to be the aggressor.
Perhaps what he described were merely differences in very strong
tendencies between men and women.
It's sort of like cops carrying guns while drinking. Different cops
react to alcohol differently, but because quite a significant number of
cops are much more likely to become impulsive and argumentative while
drinking, we deem it reasonable to prohibit them from drinking while
armed. This is even though not all cops always control themselves while
sober, and not all drinking cops lose self-control.
People are so infinitely diverse, that many laws regulations must be
based on mere probabilities, heuristics, and pragmatism.
Frank Silbermann
New Orleans, Lousiana
<fs@...>
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From: Stephen Phillips <admin@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:36:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Encountering an electric device inadvertently on Shabbat
> From: Anonymous
> While at a hotel, I walked into a specific room on Shabbat and realized
> once I was in a delicate situation, that if I moved, I would cause an
> electric eye to perform a specific function. Now the problems were
> numerous. Should I stand there the whole day? Did I already do the
> aveira by walking into the field of the eye, and leaving that field is
> secondary? What about finishing mussaf and the other tefilot, let alone
> Kiddush etc, and having my family wonder (and hopefully perhaps even
> care enough to worry) where I am if I did stand there the whole day. I
> apologize if this has already been discussed.
I'm sure we must have discussed this problem before. The most common
occurrence of the problem is in regard, at least around where I live, to
where a security light comes on at night when you pass a house. As far
as I am aware, the p'sak is that one try and avoid the problem but, if
not, then it is not forbidden to pass in front of the electronic eye. No
doubt others more learned than I will be able to give the relevant
authorities.
Stephen Phillips
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From: Dani Wassner <dani@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:38:09 +0200
Subject: Erev 17 Tammuz
Martin Stern wrote:
>The restrictions only apply from amud hashachar or, in high latitudes
>where there is no proper night, from halachic midnight.
I learnt a few years ago that all of the restrictions of the 3 weeks
begin from nightfall at the beginning of 17 Tammuz (even though the fast
only begins the next morning). ie. the night before: no haircuts,
shaving, celebrations etc...
Dani Wassner
Jerusalem
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From: Yakir <yakirhd@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:06:11 +0200
Subject: Re: Erev 17 Tammuz
Martin Stern on Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:57:06 +0100
>(1) The restrictions only apply from amud hashachar or, in high
>latitudes where there is no proper night, from halachic midnight.
>(2)Davenning ma'ariv has the same effect even if it was done early
> i.e. after plag haminchah.
Where is (1) discussed ? What is the source ?
I don't understand (2). Davening ma'ariv has the same effect as what in
this context? Surely not amud hashachar, and according to (1)
nightfall is irrelevant.
-- Yakir.
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From: Carl Singer <casinger@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:35:48 -0400
Subject: Error -- the word "NOT" was extraneous in Original Post
[Corrected Post]
One of my sons pointed out to me and to a "tardy" z'man minyan that on
Friday night it is, according to (as I recall) the Shlaw in the Aruch
HaShulchan a sakuneh (danger) to say "Mizmor Shir L'yom HaShabbat" after
Shkiyah. This would, of course, imply davening Mincha BEFORE shkiyah.
Carl A. Singer
70 Howard Avenue, Passaic, NJ 07055-5328
<casinger@...> ; www.mo-b.net/cas
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From: Avi Feldblum <mljewish@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:26:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mazal Tov
I would like to take the oppertunity to wish a mazal tov to two
mail-jewish families on the forthcoming marriage of their children later
today. As I know both families, and will be leaving for the wedding later
this morning, it is a pleasure to wish them a mazal tov on the wedding of
Nate to Tamar!
Avi Feldblum
mail-jewish Moderator
<mljewish@...>
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From: Binyamin Lemkin <docben10@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Nusach Tefillah
For those interested in nusach issues, Rav David Bar Hayim
(www.torahlight.com) explained in a recent shiur that the Rokeach, one
of the Baalei HaTosafot wrote a siddur which is an uncensored version of
nusach Ashkenaz. Fascinatingly, the original uncensored version of the
shemoneh esreh contains the word "Velameshumadim" instead of
"Velamalshinim."
-Binyamin Lemkin
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From: David Waysman <waysmand@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:00:20 +1000
Subject: One vote or 3 ?
I have unfortunately recently become an Avel. Until the Shloshim a week
ago I was given priority to be Shaliach Tzibbur. Now that I am in the
'year', I am just one of a number of people vying for the omed. Amongst
the other mourners, is a set of three brothers. Assuming that we were
to all daven together in the same minyan every day, & pretending that
there were no other mourners, should I be leading every 4th tphillah, or
every 2nd ? Is the rotation based on the number of mourners, or the
number of the deceased ?
Furthermore, what is the priority ranking of 'chiyuvim' ? Eg 1) Shiva 2)
shloshim 3) yahrtzeit 4) avel ?
Kol Tuv,
David Waysman
<Waysmand@...>
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From: Maurice Wieder <mauricew@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:14:43 -0400
Subject: RE: Single-handled faucets on Shabbat
For the record, I know someone who turns off their hot water heater
before Shabbat. This way he can use whatever hot water that is in the
heater (50 gallons) on Shabbat.
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From: <nachman@...> (Daniel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:41:40 EDT
Subject: RE: Single-handled faucets on Shabbat
Kenneth H. Ryesky, Esq. <khresq@...> writes:
> we simply shut off the hot water supply under the sink so that only cold
> water is available.
Nice solution. On a side note, someone from Israel was explaining
recently that a solar water heater is being marketed there with a
"shabbatdik" imprimateur, apparently resolving the halachic difficulties
of other heaters by either (A) not heating to the point of bishul or (B)
heating via direct sunlight rather than via a hot kli. I had never
heard of this. Can anyone confirm?
Daniel
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From: Shoshana Ziskind <shosh@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:43:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Tanya
On Jun 16, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Edward Black wrote:
> Is anyone aware of a text of all or part of the Tanya in vowelled
> Hebrew (Tanya Menukad) being available either in hard copy or anywhere
> on the Internet?
BS"D
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was the Rebbe Rashab,
Rabbi Sholom Dov Ber, the 5th Lubavitcher Rebbe who started on a project
to have a vowelled Tanya and he apparently had a dream where someone
came to him maybe it was the Alter Rebbe who told me to stop the
project. At any rate, apparently its not meant to be to have a Tanya
Menukad. (Again, someone please correct or clarify what I just typed)
What I do to try saying my daily Tanya correctly is to listen to a daily
shiur online from Rabbi Manis Friedman which goes inside and so I can
hear what is the correct way of saying it. So when he's reading I read
aloud with him and it helps. Unfortunately, sometimes I have then a hard
time following what's going on but that's a different issue! Also what
helps is after a time you just know what some of the words are and how
its pronounced because they keep on showing up.
There are two sites where you can hear this shiur:
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/audio/regular/ (regular year) or
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/audio/leap/ (leap year)
the other is only the day's lesson in Tanya:
(this has links to chumash, tehillim and Rambam also)
http://www.chabad.org/dailystudy/default.asp?AID=6207
Shoshana Ziskind
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From: Yakir <yakirhd@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:17:34 +0200
Subject: What we say during Hagba
Not an answer to the original question but on the same topic:
If you want to be "picky" (and show how makpid you are), what should be
said is:
"Vzot haTora asher sam Moshe lifnei Bnei Yisrael."
Without continuing "al pi ...."
-- or --
add Bamidbar (B'midbar?) 9, 23 (or 10, 13 ?).
This is because we should not "quote" pesukim that don't exist or that
are only part pesukim.
-- yakir.
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From: Joel Wiesen <Wiesen@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:30:28 -0400
Subject: Why stripes on tallis?
Does anyone have any idea why many talesim have black stripes, or why
some stripes are wide or thin?
Yehuda
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From: Yehuda Landy <nzion@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:20:27 +0200
Subject: Re: Y'kum Purkan - Who is an Individual?
> From: Shimon Lebowitz <shimonl@...>
> > The accepted practice is that an individual does not complete the Y'kum
> > Purkan (two plus one) but only recites the first section.
Just wish to point out, that although many sidurim have instructions
that an indivdual does not recite the second Yakum purkan and the
mu"sheberach the Mishna Brurah (101:19) states that an individual may
not recite prayers in Aramaic thus' he shoud recire neither Yakum
purkan.
Yehuda Landy
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